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Even Gaelic has its urban myths. One of them is that <span style="color: #008000;">'S e do bheatha</span> is supposedly <span style="color: #008000;">Is E do bheatha</span>, as in ''He (Jesus or God) is your life''. Nice try, but no.
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Even Gaelic has its urban myths. One of them is that <span style="color: #008000;">'S e do bheatha</span> is supposedly <span style="color: #008000;">Is E do bheatha</span>, as in ''He is your life'', i.e. either ''God is your life'' or ''Jesus is your life''. Nice try, but no cigar.
  
It's true that if you dig a bit further back into history, you come across <span style="color: #6600CC;">dia do bheatha</span> in Old Irish (yes, fortunately they wrote things down), so we have an instance of CuChulainn greeting Fergus with <span style="color: #6600CC;">Fuit! Día do bethu, a phopa Fergus</span>, in the Lebor na hUidre. So, while this looks a bit like it might be invoking anthropomorphised omnipotent beings, there's an immediate problem. Indeed, it's unlikely to be the Christian pantheon because the Fianna didn't do Christianity.
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It's true that if you dig a bit further back into history, you come across <span style="color: #6600CC;">dia do bheatha</span> in Old Irish (yes, fortunately they wrote things down), so we have an instance of CuChulainn greeting Fergus with <span style="color: #6600CC;">Fuit! Día do bethu, a phopa Fergus</span>, in the Lebor na hUidre. So, while this looks a bit like it might be invoking anthropomorphised omnipotent beings, there's an immediate problem. It's unlikely to be invoking the Christian pantheon because the Fianna didn't do Christianity.
  
 
Bearing in mind very similar Old Irish formulae, such as
 
Bearing in mind very similar Old Irish formulae, such as
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia-su fáilte</span> "to you will be welcome"
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia-su fáilte</span> "to you will be welcome"
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia in failti sunda againni</span> "to you will be welcome here at us"
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia in failti sunda againni</span> "to you will be welcome here at us"
it is much more plausible that the origin of this phrase was <span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia de bethu</span> "to you will be life" with <span style="color: #6600CC;">ro-t·bia</span> being:
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it is much more plausible that the origin of this phrase was <span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia de bethu</span> "to you will be life", with <span style="color: #6600CC;">ro-t·bia</span> being - no, not root beer - but the following:
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">ro</span>, an Old Irish preverb (a particle which may go before a verb), a form of <span style="color: #6600CC;">do</span> meaning "to(wards)"
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">ro</span>, an Old Irish preverb (a particle which may go before a verb), a form of <span style="color: #6600CC;">do</span> meaning "to(wards)"
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">-t-</span> a marker for the second person "you", so it's a little bit like having the modern <span style="color: #008000;">dhut</span> "to(wards) you" sitting before the verb. But, before you go down that route, it's not <span style="color: #008000;">dhut</span> per se, because that was <span style="color: #6600CC;">duit/dait</span>, in Old Irish
 
*<span style="color: #6600CC;">-t-</span> a marker for the second person "you", so it's a little bit like having the modern <span style="color: #008000;">dhut</span> "to(wards) you" sitting before the verb. But, before you go down that route, it's not <span style="color: #008000;">dhut</span> per se, because that was <span style="color: #6600CC;">duit/dait</span>, in Old Irish
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Over time, this would change quite regularly:
 
Over time, this would change quite regularly:
 
#<span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia de bethu</span> drops the preverb <span style="color: #6600CC;">ro</span> leaving us with
 
#<span style="color: #6600CC;">rotbia de bethu</span> drops the preverb <span style="color: #6600CC;">ro</span> leaving us with
#<span style="color: #6600CC;">tbia de bethu</span> which immediately simplifies <span style="color: #6600CC;">tb-</span> to just <span style="color: #6600CC;">t-</span> which weakens and slenderises it, giving us
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#<span style="color: #6600CC;">tbia de bethu</span> which immediately simplifies <span style="color: #6600CC;">tb-</span> to just <span style="color: #6600CC;">t-</span> which weakens and slenderises it giving us
 
#<span style="color: #6600CC;">dia de bethu</span> which now falls prey to the ancient confusion between <span style="color: #008000;">de & do</span> giving us
 
#<span style="color: #6600CC;">dia de bethu</span> which now falls prey to the ancient confusion between <span style="color: #008000;">de & do</span> giving us
 
#<span style="color: #6600CC;">día do bheatha</span> which is then re-analysed to
 
#<span style="color: #6600CC;">día do bheatha</span> which is then re-analysed to
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#<span style="color: #008000;">'s e do bheatha</span>.
 
#<span style="color: #008000;">'s e do bheatha</span>.
  
By the way, this also neatly explains why the phrase, <span style="color: #008000;">Is E do bheatha</span>, is seemingly ungrammatical i.e. in reference to <span style="color: #008000;">beatha</span>, because you would expect <span style="color: #6600CC;">Is í do bheatha</span> rather than <span style="color: #6600CC;">Is é</span>.
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By the way, this also neatly explains why the phrase, <span style="color: #008000;">Is '''e''' do bheatha</span> (even in Irish, <span style="color: #6600CC;">sé do bheatha</span>), is seemingly ungrammatical, i.e. in reference to <span style="color: #008000;">beatha</span>, because you would expect <span style="color: #6600CC;">Is í do bheatha</span> rather than <span style="color: #6600CC;">Is é</span>. It also fits in much better with another phrase that sometimes comes up in formal Gaelic, <span style="color: #008000;">tha thu di-beathte</span> for "you are welcome" (both in response to an expression of gratitude and to welcome someone to a place) which clearly does not invoke any 3rd person.
  
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There are interesting glimpses of this elsewhere too, in more recent literature. Though a little tricky (because it's a translation rather than a native composition) the Gaelic Bible of 1902 (which was actually translated several decades earlier) has this phrase in its apparent native usage in Tobit 5:13 : <span style="color: #008000;">An-sin thubhairt Tobit, 'S e do beatha, a bhràthair</span> - and the context makes it clear this is not in response to someone saying thank you but quite literally welcoming Raphael to the place.
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It also very clearly appears in this function in Irish, like the famous song <span style="color: #6600CC;">Óró sé do bheatha abhaile</span> which is attested as far back as 1855 at the very least (it appears in George Petrie's ''Complete Collection of Irish Music'' and is glossed in one instance as ''Welcome home Prince Charley'' in Petrie and in general as ''welcome home'' in virtually all other glosses of this song.
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So paraphrasing the idiom, it's really just a very Gaelic way of saying ''live long and prosper''. 🖖
  
 
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Mùthadh on 21:32, 1 dhen Mhàrt 2018

Even Gaelic has its urban myths. One of them is that 'S e do bheatha is supposedly Is E do bheatha, as in He is your life, i.e. either God is your life or Jesus is your life. Nice try, but no cigar.

It's true that if you dig a bit further back into history, you come across dia do bheatha in Old Irish (yes, fortunately they wrote things down), so we have an instance of CuChulainn greeting Fergus with Fuit! Día do bethu, a phopa Fergus, in the Lebor na hUidre. So, while this looks a bit like it might be invoking anthropomorphised omnipotent beings, there's an immediate problem. It's unlikely to be invoking the Christian pantheon because the Fianna didn't do Christianity.

Bearing in mind very similar Old Irish formulae, such as

  • rotbia-su fáilte "to you will be welcome"
  • rotbia in failti sunda againni "to you will be welcome here at us"

it is much more plausible that the origin of this phrase was rotbia de bethu "to you will be life", with ro-t·bia being - no, not root beer - but the following:

  • ro, an Old Irish preverb (a particle which may go before a verb), a form of do meaning "to(wards)"
  • -t- a marker for the second person "you", so it's a little bit like having the modern dhut "to(wards) you" sitting before the verb. But, before you go down that route, it's not dhut per se, because that was duit/dait, in Old Irish
  • -bia 3rd person singular future of the verb "be"; think of modern bi(dh) e.

Over time, this would change quite regularly:

  1. rotbia de bethu drops the preverb ro leaving us with
  2. tbia de bethu which immediately simplifies tb- to just t- which weakens and slenderises it giving us
  3. dia de bethu which now falls prey to the ancient confusion between de & do giving us
  4. día do bheatha which is then re-analysed to
  5. dé do bheatha which further reduces to
  6. sé do bheatha and is then re-analysed, again, as
  7. 's e do bheatha.

By the way, this also neatly explains why the phrase, Is e do bheatha (even in Irish, sé do bheatha), is seemingly ungrammatical, i.e. in reference to beatha, because you would expect Is í do bheatha rather than Is é. It also fits in much better with another phrase that sometimes comes up in formal Gaelic, tha thu di-beathte for "you are welcome" (both in response to an expression of gratitude and to welcome someone to a place) which clearly does not invoke any 3rd person.

There are interesting glimpses of this elsewhere too, in more recent literature. Though a little tricky (because it's a translation rather than a native composition) the Gaelic Bible of 1902 (which was actually translated several decades earlier) has this phrase in its apparent native usage in Tobit 5:13 : An-sin thubhairt Tobit, 'S e do beatha, a bhràthair - and the context makes it clear this is not in response to someone saying thank you but quite literally welcoming Raphael to the place.

It also very clearly appears in this function in Irish, like the famous song Óró sé do bheatha abhaile which is attested as far back as 1855 at the very least (it appears in George Petrie's Complete Collection of Irish Music and is glossed in one instance as Welcome home Prince Charley in Petrie and in general as welcome home in virtually all other glosses of this song.

So paraphrasing the idiom, it's really just a very Gaelic way of saying live long and prosper. 🖖



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