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2013-06-29T02:10:42Z
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<td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Mùthadh on 02:10, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unfortunately, this rule doesn't always work and you get words like iorram [iRəm]. The short answer to this problem is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">that it has something </del>to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">do with </del>Old Irish. So the best way of dealing with this <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">issue </del>is to expect a [j] glide when you get e or i before a back vowel, especially if the first syllable contains a long vowel and learn when the exceptions apply.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unfortunately, this rule doesn't always work and you get words like iorram [iRəm]. The short answer to this problem is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">related </ins>to Old Irish. So the best way of dealing with this is to expect a [j] glide when you get e or i before a back vowel, especially if the first syllable contains a long vowel<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, </ins>and learn when the exceptions apply.</div></td></tr>
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Susanharris 02:07, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013
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<td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Mùthadh on 02:07, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013</td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3" >Loidhne 3:</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get an initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh). The [j] has much less friction and it's a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get an initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[j] </ins>with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh). The [j] has much less friction and it's a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td></tr>
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Susanharris
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Susanharris 01:44, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013
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<td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Mùthadh on 01:44, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013</td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3" >Loidhne 3:</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get an initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh) <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">- </del>[j] has much less friction and it's a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get an initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh)<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. The </ins>[j] has much less friction and it's a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A few examples:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A few examples:</div></td></tr>
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Susanharris
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Susanharris 01:43, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013
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<td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Mùthadh on 01:43, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013</td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3" >Loidhne 3:</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get an initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh) - [j] has much less friction<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. The [j] is </del>a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get an initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh) - [j] has much less friction <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and it's </ins>a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td></tr>
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Susanharris 01:42, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013
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<td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Mùthadh on 01:42, 29 dhen Ògmhios 2013</td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1" >Loidhne 1:</td>
<td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Loidhne 1:</td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Actually this isn't so much about where <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">it </del>comes from but rather how you can tell when it's there and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">where </del>it isn't. </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Actually this isn't so much about where <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">an initial glide, the [j], </ins>comes from but rather how you can tell when it's there and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">when </ins>it isn't. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and </del>initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh) - [j] has much less friction. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">This </del>is a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">an </ins>initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh) - [j] has much less friction. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">The [j] </ins>is a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.</div></td></tr>
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Akerbeltz 19:07, 19 dhen Fhaoilleach 2012
2012-01-19T19:07:33Z
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<td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Mùthadh on 19:07, 19 dhen Fhaoilleach 2012</td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7" >Loidhne 7:</td>
<td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Loidhne 7:</td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A few examples:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A few examples:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <span style="color: #008000;">eòrna</span> || [jɔːRNə]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <span style="color: #008000;">eòrna</span> || [jɔːRNə]</div></td></tr>
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Akerbeltz 19:07, 19 dhen Fhaoilleach 2012
2012-01-19T19:07:19Z
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<td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Mùthadh on 19:07, 19 dhen Fhaoilleach 2012</td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7" >Loidhne 7:</td>
<td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Loidhne 7:</td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A few examples:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A few examples:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{| style="width: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">70</del>%;" border="0" align="center"</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{| style="width: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">30</ins>%;" border="0" align="center"</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| eòrna || [jɔːRNə]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>eòrna<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [jɔːRNə]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| iolaire || [juLɪrʲə]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>iolaire<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [juLɪrʲə]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| Eòghann || [jɔː.əN]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>Eòghann<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [jɔː.əN]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| iubhar || [ju.əɾ]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>iubhar<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [ju.əɾ]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| eallach || [jaLəx]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>eallach<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [jaLəx]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| eòin || [jɔː.Nʲ]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>eòin<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [jɔː.Nʲ]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| ionnsaich || [jũːNsɪç]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>ionnsaich<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [jũːNsɪç]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|-</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| earrach || [jaRəx]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>earrach<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [jaRəx]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| eòlas || [jɔːLəs]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>| <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;"></ins>eòlas<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></span> </ins>|| [jɔːLəs]</div></td></tr>
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<p><b>Duilleag ùr</b></p><div>Actually this isn't so much about where it comes from but rather how you can tell when it's there and where it isn't. <br />
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In a nutshell, it appears when you have a word with an initial high front vowel followed by a back vowel. Which means what exactly?<br />
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High front vowels are [i] and [e] in Gaelic, back vowels are [a] [o] [ɤ] [ɔ] [u] and [ɯ]. So if you get any combination of those two (in the said order), you get and initial glide, the [j]. Don't confuse this with the [ʝ] sound (slender gh and dh) - [j] has much less friction. This is a sound you actually get in English words - year, yarn, yen etc.<br />
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A few examples:<br />
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{| style="width: 70%;" border="0" align="center"<br />
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| eòrna || [jɔːRNə]<br />
|-<br />
| iolaire || [juLɪrʲə]<br />
|-<br />
| Eòghann || [jɔː.əN]<br />
|-<br />
| iubhar || [ju.əɾ]<br />
|-<br />
| eallach || [jaLəx]<br />
|-<br />
| eòin || [jɔː.Nʲ]<br />
|-<br />
| ionnsaich || [jũːNsɪç]<br />
|-<br />
| earrach || [jaRəx]<br />
|-<br />
| eòlas || [jɔːLəs]<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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Unfortunately, this rule doesn't always work and you get words like iorram [iRəm]. The short answer to this problem is that it has something to do with Old Irish. So the best way of dealing with this issue is to expect a [j] glide when you get e or i before a back vowel, especially if the first syllable contains a long vowel and learn when the exceptions apply.<br />
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