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Why does Gaelic have special numbers for counting people?  It just does.  Some languages do, some don't - some even have special counting words for men and women - so don't complain, there's only ten to be learnt in Gaelic.  Here's the numbers first, the dreaded footnotes are at the bottom:
 
Why does Gaelic have special numbers for counting people?  It just does.  Some languages do, some don't - some even have special counting words for men and women - so don't complain, there's only ten to be learnt in Gaelic.  Here's the numbers first, the dreaded footnotes are at the bottom:
  
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! align="left" | №
 
! align="left" | №
 
! align="left" | counting people<br/>(irregular nouns)
 
! align="left" | counting people<br/>(irregular nouns)
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! align="left" | plural nouns
 
! align="left" | plural nouns
 
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| 1 || <span style="color: #008000;">aonar mór<br/>aonar mór</span> || aonar mór<br/>aonar mór || aonar mór
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| 1 || <span style="color: #008000;">aonar mór<br/>aonar mór</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">aonar mór<br/>aonar mór</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">aonar mór</span>
 
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| 2 || dithis fhear móra<br/>dithis bhalach móra || dithis bhan móra<br/>dithis chloinne móire || dithis chaileagan móra
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| 2 || <span style="color: #008000;">dithis fhear móra<br/>dithis bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">dithis bhan móra<br/>dithis chloinne móire</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">dithis chaileagan móra</span>
 
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| 3 || triùir fhear móra<br/>triùir bhalach móra || triùir bhan móra<br/>triùir chaileagan móra || triùir chloinne móire
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| 3 || <span style="color: #008000;">triùir fhear móra<br/>triùir bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">triùir bhan móra<br/>triùir chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">triùir chloinne móire</span>
 
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| 4 || ceathrar fhear móra<br/>ceathrar bhalach móra || ceathrar bhan móra<br/>ceathrar chaileagan móra || ceathrar cloinne móire
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| 4 || <span style="color: #008000;">ceathrar fhear móra<br/>ceathrar bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">ceathrar bhan móra<br/>ceathrar chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">ceathrar cloinne móire</span>
 
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| 5 || cóignear fhear móra<br/>cóignear bhalach móra || cóignear bhan móra<br/>cóignear chaileagan móra || cóignear cloinne móire
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| 5 || <span style="color: #008000;">cóignear fhear móra<br/>cóignear bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">cóignear bhan móra<br/>cóignear chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">cóignear cloinne móire</span>
 
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| 6 || sianar fhear móra<br/>sianar bhalach móra || sianar bhan móra<br/>sianar chaileagan móra || sianar cloinne móire
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| 6 || <span style="color: #008000;">sianar fhear móra<br/>sianar bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">sianar bhan móra<br/>sianar chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">sianar cloinne móire</span>
 
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| 7 || seachdnar fhear móra<br/>seachdnar bhalach móra || seachdnar bhan móra<br/>seachdnar chaileagan móra || seachdnar cloinne móire
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| 7 || <span style="color: #008000;">seachdnar fhear móra<br/>seachdnar bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">seachdnar bhan móra<br/>seachdnar chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">seachdnar cloinne móire</span>
 
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| 8 || ochdnar fhear móra<br/>ochdnar bhalach móra || ochdnar bhan móra<br/>ochdnar chaileagan móra || ochdnar cloinne móire
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| 8 || <span style="color: #008000;">ochdnar fhear móra<br/>ochdnar bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">ochdnar bhan móra<br/>ochdnar chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">ochdnar cloinne móire</span>
 
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| 9 || naonar fhear móra<br/>naonar bhalach móra || naonar bhan móra<br/>naonar chaileagan móra || naonar cloinne móire
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| 9 || <span style="color: #008000;">naonar fhear móra<br/>naonar bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">naonar bhan móra<br/>naonar chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">naonar cloinne móire</span>
 
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| 10 || deichnear fhear móra<br/>deichnear bhalach móra || deichnear bhan móra<br/>deichnear chaileagan móra || deichnear cloinne móire
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| 10 || <span style="color: #008000;">deichnear fhear móra<br/>deichnear bhalach móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">deichnear bhan móra<br/>deichnear chaileagan móra</span> || <span style="color: #008000;">deichnear cloinne móire</span>
 
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Mùthadh on 02:05, 11 dhen Ògmhios 2012

Why does Gaelic have special numbers for counting people? It just does. Some languages do, some don't - some even have special counting words for men and women - so don't complain, there's only ten to be learnt in Gaelic. Here's the numbers first, the dreaded footnotes are at the bottom:

counting people
(irregular nouns)
counting people
(regular nouns)
plural nouns
1 aonar mór
aonar mór
aonar mór
aonar mór
aonar mór
2 dithis fhear móra
dithis bhalach móra
dithis bhan móra
dithis chloinne móire
dithis chaileagan móra
3 triùir fhear móra
triùir bhalach móra
triùir bhan móra
triùir chaileagan móra
triùir chloinne móire
4 ceathrar fhear móra
ceathrar bhalach móra
ceathrar bhan móra
ceathrar chaileagan móra
ceathrar cloinne móire
5 cóignear fhear móra
cóignear bhalach móra
cóignear bhan móra
cóignear chaileagan móra
cóignear cloinne móire
6 sianar fhear móra
sianar bhalach móra
sianar bhan móra
sianar chaileagan móra
sianar cloinne móire
7 seachdnar fhear móra
seachdnar bhalach móra
seachdnar bhan móra
seachdnar chaileagan móra
seachdnar cloinne móire
8 ochdnar fhear móra
ochdnar bhalach móra
ochdnar bhan móra
ochdnar chaileagan móra
ochdnar cloinne móire
9 naonar fhear móra
naonar bhalach móra
naonar bhan móra
naonar chaileagan móra
naonar cloinne móire
10 deichnear fhear móra
deichnear bhalach móra
deichnear bhan móra
deichnear chaileagan móra
deichnear cloinne móire
  1. Because they are (grammatically speaking) nouns, the numbers for counting people are followed by the genitive plural. Just as with other nouns, the plural genitive gets lenited when indefinite. Thus we have dithis fhear or dithis ghillean (lit. two of men/boys) but na dithis fear and na dithis gillean 'the two men/boys'. If it helps, you can think of these numbers as a "twosome, threesome, foursome of children, men, girls, grannies ...", it explains the genitive anyway.
  2. Again, as with many rules in any languages, you will hear people say things differently - many Gaels say cóignear nighean instead of nigheannan ...
  3. So just remember to use these as nouns - things like chunnaic mi dithis or an do rinn na triùir agaibh an obair? are perfectly ok.
  4. Also, you only use them up to ten, after that, you count people like things, that's why you won't see that column anymore further down.
  5. Gender. Yes, gender. Seeing these are all nouns, they need a gender. They are all masculine, except for dithis and triùir, so if you follow these with an adjective, it gets lenited e.g. dithis mhóra, triùir bheaga but cóignear bochda.
  6. As a result, remember to prefix t- before ochdnar, e.g. in thàinig an t-ochndnar aca fadalach 'the eight of them came late'.
  7. Instead of naonar, you also hear naoinear and instead of dithis dithist.
  8. Even though 2 takes the dual with the ordinal/cardinal numbers, dithis is followed by the plural. Fun, eh? Remind me to tell you about counting in the Chinese languages one day.
  9. Plural nouns take the only genitive the have, so clann becomes cloinne and it lenites after dithis and triùir. We haven't been able to think of a masculine plural nouns denoting living beings - do let us know if you can think of one.

The last thing to remember is that because they are nouns, these can stand on their own, e.g. thàinig an dithis a-steach 'the two (of them) came in' or chaidh triùir a-mach 'three (of them) went out'.



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