http://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&feed=atom&action=historyFeasgar math or how to start an argument - Eachdraidh nam mùthaidhean2024-03-29T06:17:37ZEachdraidh nam mùthaidhean airson na duilleige seo air an uicidhMediaWiki 1.35.11http://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=4476&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 12:57, 9 dhen Mhàrt 20202020-03-09T12:57:12Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'll sidestep the question about whether there's any point to that much praying but, anyway, the Latin names of some of these time units were borrowed into Irish and Gaelic. Matins became <span style="color: #008000;">madainn</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">maidinn</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">maidin</span>, in Irish), the None became <span style="color: #008000;">nòin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">tràth-nòin</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">iarnóin</span> for afternoon and <span style="color: #6600CC;">tráthnóna</span> for evening, in Irish), and Vespers became <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar</span> (though rare, in Irish, <span style="color: #6600CC;">feascar</span> in the common sense of the word and <span style="color: #6600CC;">easparta</span> in the religious sense). These were borrowed '''so''' long ago that the <span style="color: #008000;">p</span> became a <span style="color: #008000;">c/g</span>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'll sidestep the question about whether there's any point to that much praying but, anyway, the Latin names of some of these time units were borrowed into Irish and Gaelic. Matins became <span style="color: #008000;">madainn</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">maidinn</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">maidin</span>, in Irish), the None became <span style="color: #008000;">nòin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">tràth-nòin</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">iarnóin</span> for afternoon and <span style="color: #6600CC;">tráthnóna</span> for evening, in Irish), and Vespers became <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar</span> (though rare, in Irish, <span style="color: #6600CC;">feascar</span> in the common sense of the word and <span style="color: #6600CC;">easparta</span> in the religious sense). These were borrowed '''so''' long ago that the <span style="color: #008000;">p</span> became a <span style="color: #008000;">c/g</span>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now, this is where it gets tricky because we don't really have much evidence of these being used in greetings. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Part of that is </del>a lack of colloquial texts in the older material. However, in texts from the 1800s, we do have instances of the still ubiquitous Irish greeting, <span style="color: #6600CC;">Dia dhuit</span>, ''God be with you''.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now, this is where it gets tricky because we don't really have much evidence of these being used in greetings. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Partly due to </ins>a lack of colloquial texts in the older material. However, in texts from the 1800s, we do have instances of the still ubiquitous Irish greeting, <span style="color: #6600CC;">Dia dhuit</span>, ''God be with you''.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is certainly conceivable that in pre-Reformation Gaelic speaking Scotland this phrase was also in common use but that's just an educated guess. Either way, it has not been heard much in Gaelic Scotland for at least a century, otherwise it would have found its way into some of the older phrase books and dictionaries.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is certainly conceivable that in pre-Reformation Gaelic speaking Scotland this phrase was also in common use but that's just an educated guess. Either way, it has not been heard much in Gaelic Scotland for at least a century, otherwise it would have found its way into some of the older phrase books and dictionaries.</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=4365&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 16:55, 30 dhen Ghiblean 20192019-04-30T16:55:31Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'll sidestep the question about whether there's any point to that much praying but, anyway, the Latin names of some of these time units were borrowed into Irish and Gaelic. Matins became <span style="color: #008000;">madainn</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">maidinn</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">maidin</span>, in Irish), the None became <span style="color: #008000;">nòin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">tràth-nòin</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">iarnóin</span> for afternoon and <span style="color: #6600CC;">tráthnóna</span> for evening, in Irish), and Vespers became <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar</span> (though rare, in Irish, <span style="color: #6600CC;">feascar</span> in the common sense of the word and <span style="color: #6600CC;">easparta</span> in the religious sense). These were borrowed '''so''' long ago that the <span style="color: #008000;">p</span> became a <span style="color: #008000;">c/g</span>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'll sidestep the question about whether there's any point to that much praying but, anyway, the Latin names of some of these time units were borrowed into Irish and Gaelic. Matins became <span style="color: #008000;">madainn</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">maidinn</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">maidin</span>, in Irish), the None became <span style="color: #008000;">nòin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">tràth-nòin</span> (<span style="color: #6600CC;">iarnóin</span> for afternoon and <span style="color: #6600CC;">tráthnóna</span> for evening, in Irish), and Vespers became <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar</span> (though rare, in Irish, <span style="color: #6600CC;">feascar</span> in the common sense of the word and <span style="color: #6600CC;">easparta</span> in the religious sense). These were borrowed '''so''' long ago that the <span style="color: #008000;">p</span> became a <span style="color: #008000;">c/g</span>.</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=4364&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 16:54, 30 dhen Ghiblean 20192019-04-30T16:54:54Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>No, I'm only on a small sugar rush from the Christmas baking I've been eating. But there was a question on Facebook and it triggered such a familiar debate that I figured it's time for a write-up.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>No, I'm only on a small sugar rush from the Christmas baking I've been eating. But there was a question on Facebook and it triggered such a familiar debate that I figured it's time for a write-up.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The question was about greetings and sure enough, someone mentioned <span style="color: #008000;"><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">feasgair </del>math</span> and a bit further on it got slated for non-Gaelic idiom. Emotions aside, it's an interesting question, so let's see if we can shed any light on the headache.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The question was about greetings and sure enough, someone mentioned <span style="color: #008000;"><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">feasgar </ins>math</span> and a bit further on it got slated for non-Gaelic idiom. Emotions aside, it's an interesting question, so let's see if we can shed any light on the headache.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Virtually all textbooks and phrase books from the turn of the century will give you <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;"><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">feasgair </del>math</span> for ''good morning'' and ''good afternoon''. There's also <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span> but, curiously, that one does not seem to get the blood boiling.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Virtually all textbooks and phrase books from the turn of the century will give you <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;"><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">feasgar </ins>math</span> for ''good morning'' and ''good afternoon''. There's also <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span> but, curiously, that one does not seem to get the blood boiling.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>To begin with, both <span style="color: #008000;">madainn</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar</span> are loanwords; very old loanwords, but still. They hail from the ecclesiastical sphere, where in the early days of the Celtic church, monks were presumably the first ever in the Gaelic world to chop up the day into defined time units beyond morning/midday/afternoon/night, all of which are relatively vague. These divisions are called the ''canonical hours'' and, while known across various confessions and flavours of church, there's the usual fight in a teacup over what the units are and when they are. Broadly, they are:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>To begin with, both <span style="color: #008000;">madainn</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar</span> are loanwords; very old loanwords, but still. They hail from the ecclesiastical sphere, where in the early days of the Celtic church, monks were presumably the first ever in the Gaelic world to chop up the day into defined time units beyond morning/midday/afternoon/night, all of which are relatively vague. These divisions are called the ''canonical hours'' and, while known across various confessions and flavours of church, there's the usual fight in a teacup over what the units are and when they are. Broadly, they are:</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=4001&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 12:47, 5 dhen Dàmhair 20172017-10-05T12:47:42Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now, this is where it gets tricky because we don't really have much evidence of these being used in greetings. Part of that is a lack of colloquial texts in the older material. However, in texts from the 1800s, we do have instances of the still ubiquitous Irish greeting, <span style="color: #6600CC;">Dia dhuit</span>, ''God be with you''.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now, this is where it gets tricky because we don't really have much evidence of these being used in greetings. Part of that is a lack of colloquial texts in the older material. However, in texts from the 1800s, we do have instances of the still ubiquitous Irish greeting, <span style="color: #6600CC;">Dia dhuit</span>, ''God be with you''.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is certainly conceivable that in pre-Reformation Gaelic speaking Scotland<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, </del>this phrase was also in common use but that's just an educated guess. Either way, it has not been heard much in Gaelic Scotland for at least a century, otherwise it would have found its way into some of the older phrase books and dictionaries.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is certainly conceivable that in pre-Reformation Gaelic speaking Scotland this phrase was also in common use but that's just an educated guess. Either way, it has not been heard much in Gaelic Scotland for at least a century, otherwise it would have found its way into some of the older phrase books and dictionaries.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, what filled its place? Excellent question. Nobody seems to be quite sure. When you ask native speakers who dislike <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span>, they're usually stuck for an alternative. They would have no hesitation about greeting someone they know by name - variations of <span style="color: #008000;">A Dhòmhnaill, fada on uairsin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">A Mhàiri, dè do chor an-diugh?</span>. But ask them how to address someone they don't know by name and silence is usually what you get. ''Hi'' and ''hello'' (however you re-spell them) are used, but they're clearly English in origin. Some suggest <span style="color: #008000;">latha math dhuibh</span> but others reject it. Some suggest a reference to the weather, such as <span style="color: #008000;">latha math a th' ann</span>, yet others claim they'd never use that. Though at least for this last one we have some evidence of usage. Nan MacKinnon, whom no one can accuse of having poor Gaelic, tells a story (<span style="color: #008000;">Gibht na mnà-glùine</span>) where a woman meets a stranger on her way late at night to Eoligarry:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, what filled its place? Excellent question. Nobody seems to be quite sure. When you ask native speakers who dislike <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span>, they're usually stuck for an alternative. They would have no hesitation about greeting someone they know by name - variations of <span style="color: #008000;">A Dhòmhnaill, fada on uairsin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">A Mhàiri, dè do chor an-diugh?</span>. But ask them how to address someone they don't know by name and silence is usually what you get. ''Hi'' and ''hello'' (however you re-spell them) are used, but they're clearly English in origin. Some suggest <span style="color: #008000;">latha math dhuibh</span> but others reject it. Some suggest a reference to the weather, such as <span style="color: #008000;">latha math a th' ann</span>, yet others claim they'd never use that. Though at least for this last one we have some evidence of usage. Nan MacKinnon, whom no one can accuse of having poor Gaelic, tells a story (<span style="color: #008000;">Gibht na mnà-glùine</span>) where a woman meets a stranger on her way late at night to Eoligarry:</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=3791&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 20:26, 13 dhen Fhaoilleach 20172017-01-13T20:26:17Z<p></p>
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</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l24" >Loidhne 24:</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Also, slightly more recent and much more explicity as a means of addressing a '''stranger''', this anecdote from the Cape Breton magazine ''Am Bràighe'':</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Also, slightly more recent and much more explicity as a means of addressing a '''stranger''', this anecdote from the Cape Breton magazine ''Am Bràighe'':</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This bring us to the other part of the problem - the historic decline in speaker numbers through genocide (you know, dispossession, forced emigration, economic deprivation and forced anglicisation via the education system). These circumstances resulted in a society where you could no longer assume that a stranger you met was Gaelic speaking and consequently you would not commonly address them in Gaelic, but in English.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This bring us to the other part of the problem - the historic decline in speaker numbers through genocide (you know, dispossession, forced emigration, economic deprivation and forced anglicisation via the education system). These circumstances resulted in a society where you could no longer assume that a stranger you met was Gaelic speaking and consequently you would not commonly address them in Gaelic, but in English.</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=3790&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 20:25, 13 dhen Fhaoilleach 20172017-01-13T20:25:57Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<span style="color: #008000;">... shaoil i gur e duine nàdarra a bh' ann agus thuirt i "Tha oidhche mhath ann".</span></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<span style="color: #008000;">... shaoil i gur e duine nàdarra a bh' ann agus thuirt i "Tha oidhche mhath ann".</span></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<span style="color: #008000;">"Tha," os e fhèin, ...</span></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:<span style="color: #008000;">"Tha," os e fhèin, ...</span></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Also, slightly more recent and much more explicity as a means of addressing a '''stranger''', this anecdote from the Cape Breton magazine ''Am Bràighe'':</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This bring us to the other part of the problem - the historic decline in speaker numbers through genocide (you know, dispossession, forced emigration, economic deprivation and forced anglicisation via the education system). These circumstances resulted in a society where you could no longer assume that a stranger you met was Gaelic speaking and consequently you would not commonly address them in Gaelic, but in English.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This bring us to the other part of the problem - the historic decline in speaker numbers through genocide (you know, dispossession, forced emigration, economic deprivation and forced anglicisation via the education system). These circumstances resulted in a society where you could no longer assume that a stranger you met was Gaelic speaking and consequently you would not commonly address them in Gaelic, but in English.</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=3497&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 14:58, 23 dhen Ghiblean 20162016-04-23T14:58:47Z<p></p>
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</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l19" >Loidhne 19:</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is certainly conceivable that in pre-Reformation Gaelic speaking Scotland, this phrase was also in common use but that's just an educated guess. Either way, it has not been heard much in Gaelic Scotland for at least a century, otherwise it would have found its way into some of the older phrase books and dictionaries.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is certainly conceivable that in pre-Reformation Gaelic speaking Scotland, this phrase was also in common use but that's just an educated guess. Either way, it has not been heard much in Gaelic Scotland for at least a century, otherwise it would have found its way into some of the older phrase books and dictionaries.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, what filled its place? Excellent question. Nobody seems to be quite sure. When you ask native speakers who dislike <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span>, they're usually stuck for an alternative. They would have no hesitation about greeting someone they know by name - variations of <span style="color: #008000;">A Dhòmhnaill, fada on uairsin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">A Mhàiri, dè do chor an-diugh?</span>. But ask them how to address someone they don't know by name and silence is usually what you get. ''Hi'' and ''hello'' (however you re-spell them) are used, but they're clearly English in origin. Some suggest <span style="color: #008000;">latha math dhuibh</span> but others reject it. Some suggest a reference to the weather, such as <span style="color: #008000;">latha math a th' ann</span>, yet others claim they'd never use that.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So, what filled its place? Excellent question. Nobody seems to be quite sure. When you ask native speakers who dislike <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span>, they're usually stuck for an alternative. They would have no hesitation about greeting someone they know by name - variations of <span style="color: #008000;">A Dhòmhnaill, fada on uairsin</span> or <span style="color: #008000;">A Mhàiri, dè do chor an-diugh?</span>. But ask them how to address someone they don't know by name and silence is usually what you get. ''Hi'' and ''hello'' (however you re-spell them) are used, but they're clearly English in origin. Some suggest <span style="color: #008000;">latha math dhuibh</span> but others reject it. Some suggest a reference to the weather, such as <span style="color: #008000;">latha math a th' ann</span>, yet others claim they'd never use that. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Though at least for this last one we have some evidence of usage. Nan MacKinnon, whom no one can accuse of having poor Gaelic, tells a story (<span style="color: #008000;">Gibht na mnà-glùine</span>) where a woman meets a stranger on her way late at night to Eoligarry:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Which of course </del>bring us to the other part of the problem - the historic decline in speaker numbers through genocide (you know, dispossession, forced emigration, economic deprivation and forced anglicisation via the education system). These circumstances resulted in a society where you could no longer assume that a stranger you met was Gaelic speaking and consequently you would not commonly address them in Gaelic, but in English.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">This </ins>bring us to the other part of the problem - the historic decline in speaker numbers through genocide (you know, dispossession, forced emigration, economic deprivation and forced anglicisation via the education system). These circumstances resulted in a society where you could no longer assume that a stranger you met was Gaelic speaking and consequently you would not commonly address them in Gaelic, but in English.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As it stands, the oldest incident of <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> I could find in a hurry was in MacDougall's ''Folk Tales and Fairy Lore'' from 1910:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As it stands, the oldest incident of <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> I could find in a hurry was in MacDougall's ''Folk Tales and Fairy Lore'' from 1910:</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=3439&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 11:56, 29 dhen Fhaoilleach 20162016-01-29T11:56:15Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We will probably never know exactly who came up with <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> but they're certainly here to stay. They just jar a bit with some older native speakers. With a native speaker, my personal solution to the headache is to move off <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> as soon as I know their name. Using their name in the vocative, followed by a variety of introductory questions such as <span style="color: #008000;">dè do chor/ur cor, ciamar a tha thu/sibh</span>, and so on, seems to go down relatively well. <span style="color: #008000;">Sin thu/sibh</span> or the more colloquial <span style="color: #008000;">shin thu</span> also works. That way, personally, I haven't had the <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> debate in years.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We will probably never know exactly who came up with <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> but they're certainly here to stay. They just jar a bit with some older native speakers. With a native speaker, my personal solution to the headache is to move off <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> as soon as I know their name. Using their name in the vocative, followed by a variety of introductory questions such as <span style="color: #008000;">dè do chor/ur cor, ciamar a tha thu/sibh</span>, and so on, seems to go down relatively well. <span style="color: #008000;">Sin thu/sibh</span> or the more colloquial <span style="color: #008000;">shin thu</span> also works. That way, personally, I haven't had the <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> debate in years.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Alternatively, you can take the standpoint that there are enough people, including native speakers, for whom <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> are perfectly natural Gaelic today and that whatever may have been no longer applies today. Which is also a perfectly permissible approach - just be prepared for an argument from some quarters!</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Alternatively, you can take the standpoint that there are enough people, including native speakers, for whom <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> are perfectly natural Gaelic today and that whatever may have been <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the case once </ins>no longer applies today. Which is also a perfectly permissible approach - just be prepared for an argument from some quarters!</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In this spirit, I bid you all <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In this spirit, I bid you all <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span>.</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=3438&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 11:55, 29 dhen Fhaoilleach 20162016-01-29T11:55:11Z<p></p>
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</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l35" >Loidhne 35:</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We will probably never know exactly who came up with <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> but they're certainly here to stay. They just jar a bit with some older native speakers. With a native speaker, my personal solution to the headache is to move off <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> as soon as I know their name. Using their name in the vocative, followed by a variety of introductory questions such as <span style="color: #008000;">dè do chor/ur cor, ciamar a tha thu/sibh</span>, and so on, seems to go down relatively well. <span style="color: #008000;">Sin thu/sibh</span> or the more colloquial <span style="color: #008000;">shin thu</span> also works. That way, personally, I haven't had the <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> debate in years.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We will probably never know exactly who came up with <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> but they're certainly here to stay. They just jar a bit with some older native speakers. With a native speaker, my personal solution to the headache is to move off <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> as soon as I know their name. Using their name in the vocative, followed by a variety of introductory questions such as <span style="color: #008000;">dè do chor/ur cor, ciamar a tha thu/sibh</span>, and so on, seems to go down relatively well. <span style="color: #008000;">Sin thu/sibh</span> or the more colloquial <span style="color: #008000;">shin thu</span> also works. That way, personally, I haven't had the <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> debate in years.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Alternatively, you can take the standpoint that there are enough people, including native speakers, for whom <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> are perfectly natural Gaelic today and that whatever may have been no longer applies today. Which is also a perfectly permissible approach - just be prepared for an argument from some quarters!</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In this spirit, I bid you all <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In this spirit, I bid you all <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span>.</div></td></tr>
</table>Akerbeltzhttp://www.akerbeltz.org/index.php?title=Feasgar_math_or_how_to_start_an_argument&diff=3437&oldid=prevAkerbeltz 21:52, 27 dhen Fhaoilleach 20162016-01-27T21:52:21Z<p></p>
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</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l34" >Loidhne 34:</td>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Relatively old but given that Gaels have written things down since the 6th century, it's so novel the paint is hardly dry. Like calling a word that was first used in Windows 3.1 "ancient".</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Relatively old but given that Gaels have written things down since the 6th century, it's so novel the paint is hardly dry. Like calling a word that was first used in Windows 3.1 "ancient".</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We will probably never know exactly who came up with <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> but they're certainly here to stay. They just jar a bit with some older native speakers. With a native speaker, my personal solution to the headache is to move off <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> as soon as I know their name. Using their name in the vocative, followed by a variety of introductory questions such as <span style="color: #008000;">dè do chor/ur cor, ciamar a tha thu/sibh</span>, and so on, seems to go down relatively well. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">With that solution</del>, personally, I haven't had the <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> debate in years.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We will probably never know exactly who came up with <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> but they're certainly here to stay. They just jar a bit with some older native speakers. With a native speaker, my personal solution to the headache is to move off <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> and <span style="color: #008000;">feasgar math</span> as soon as I know their name. Using their name in the vocative, followed by a variety of introductory questions such as <span style="color: #008000;">dè do chor/ur cor, ciamar a tha thu/sibh</span>, and so on, seems to go down relatively well. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><span style="color: #008000;">Sin thu/sibh</span> or the more colloquial <span style="color: #008000;">shin thu</span> also works. That way</ins>, personally, I haven't had the <span style="color: #008000;">madainn mhath</span> debate in years.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In this spirit, I bid you all <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span>.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In this spirit, I bid you all <span style="color: #008000;">oidhche mhath</span>.</div></td></tr>
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